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Best B3, Rhodes, Synth, Piano in One Keyboard

• Thread starter Dougee
• Start date December 8, 2016

Dougee

Silver Supporting Member

• #i

Demand to find an all in one keyboard with the All-time B3, Rhodes, Synth & Piano sounds!!
If no such thing what about separate keyboards, Kawai MP11, Hammond SK1, Roland Jupiter-fourscore, Yamaha Montage, Yamaha CP4, Korg Kronos, etc.

Need for Home Studio, and Live Stage!!

I saw a YouTube video withe the PianoManChuck playing a Kawai MP11 with a Synth Box on top of it with just nearly all the sounds I'm looking for so would one of those type Boxes with ane of the keyboards I mentioned would work pretty expert??

Please Reply and Thank You Very Much for your Expertise!!!

• #ii

I'll be watching this also since I beloved the B-3 simply know at that place is no way I tin ever take one unless I win a lottery (not but for the keyboard and speaker but for the larger house I'd need to put it in)

• #3

Nord makes very amazing keyboards. Very convincing B3, Rhodes, Wurlitzer, Clavinet, and Acoustic Piano sounds. I own an Electro which is quite excellent for these vintage keyboard sounds. I do not accept 1st hand experience with their synthesizers, but their recordings are fantastic IMO.

I utilise a Roland Fantom for synth sounds. IMO its Rhodes, synth, and Piano sounds are quite good, but their B3 sounds are very poor compared to the Nord.

• #4

Kronos is still the top of the heap. Information technology does everything the OP wants and more than. Some issues though...LCD screen has tiny fonts and the build quality could exist better. I would propose Jupiter eighty but the organs are its weakest point. Some aliasing with the VA synth in the higher registers.

• #5

People seem to get nuts for the Nords. I've shared others' on a few bills and they seem really dainty. I'chiliad an easy customer though - for these shows normally all I desire or demand is a expert B3 sound (which is why I tend to use another band'southward keyboard for these kinds of shows), and I'chiliad commonly playing with a band that's so loud and noisy I can't even hear if it'south an authentic representation or not.

• #6

Agreed. Your solution for that combination would likely be a Nord.

Dougee

Silver Supporting Fellow member

• #seven

What keyboards that I mentioned in the beginning of this thread would sound very convincing on the post-obit songs:

Owner of a Alone Heart-Yes
Yes - Roundabout
ELP - "Lucky Man"
From The Beginning-Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Fly Like an Eagle" by Steve Miller Band
Light My Fire...Doors
Jessica...Allman Bros
Toto'south "Rosanna"
Toto-Africa
Boston's "Foreplay"
Sugarloaf's "Dark-green Eyed Lady",
Boston'southward "Smokin"
Van Halen - Jump
Stevie Wonder's "Superstition".
"A Whiter Shade Of Pale" by Procal Harum
Heart- "Magic Man"
Dark-green Onions- Booker T and the MGs
"Take Me to the Pilot" by Elton
Silverish, Concord your head upwards
Head Eastward - Never Been Any Reason
Steppenwolf - Magic Carpet Ride/Born To Exist Wild
"Frankenstein" Edgar Winter
The Fashion Information technology Is- by Bruce Hornsby
Since I've Been Loving You lot - Led Zeppelin
Feelin' Alright - Joe Cocker
Oye Como Va - Santana
Hush - Deep Purple
Shine On Y'all Crazy Diamond - Pink Floyd
Won't Go Fooled Again-The Who
Who Are You-The Who
Highway Star...Deep Purple
Delta Lady...Joe Cocker
Meatloaf's "Bat out of Hell"
Iron Butterfly – In A Gadda Da Vida
Toto – Hold The Line
Journey – Separate Ways
Styx – Come up Sail Abroad
The Firm of the Rising Sun-The Animals
You lot Proceed Me Hangin' On'-Vanilla Fudge
'Gimme Some Lovin''-The Spencer Davis Group
Walk of life - Dire Straits
Sweet dreams - Eurythmics
The ability of honey - Huey Lewis and The News
Fresh Air - Quicksilver Messenger Service
Then Into You - Atlanta Rhythm Section
Don't Stop Believing - Journey
Wish You Were Here - Pinkish Floyd
Santana – Evil Ways
The Zombies – Time Of The Flavour
Steely Dan - Do Information technology Again
Good Lovin' - Young Rascals
These Eyes - Gauge Who
96 Tears - Question Mark & the Mysterions
Reelin' In The Years - Steely Dan
Conduct on my wayward son.......Kansas
"Don't dream information technology's over"-Crowded Business firm
Silent Running-Mike & The Mechanics
Kid Charlemagne-Steely Dan

• #8

Nord Stage 2 SW73. Worth every penny.

• #9

Yes, Nord Stage if y'all just want high quality, basic bread and butter sounds.
Nord Electro if y'all don't need the synth.

If y'all want "workstation" capabilities like sequencer, drum auto, etc. look at the Korg Kronos, Yamaha Motif (at present chosen Montage).
Their basic sounds are just as proficient as the Nords. Korg and Yamaha as well make budget versions (Krome, MOXF) if that's an consequence.

At that place's besides Roland, but I think they would exist better for more synth oriented stuff.

• #10

What keyboards that I mentioned in the offset of this thread would audio very convincing on the post-obit songs:

Possessor of a Lone Centre-Yes
Yes - Roundabout
ELP - "Lucky Homo"
From The Showtime-Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Fly Like an Eagle" by Steve Miller Band
Light My Fire...Doors
Jessica...Allman Bros
Toto'due south "Rosanna"
Toto-Africa
Boston's "Foreplay"
Sugarloaf's "Green Eyed Lady",
Boston'southward "Smokin"
Van Halen - Bound
Stevie Wonder'southward "Superstition".
"A Whiter Shade Of Pale" past Procal Harum
Heart- "Magic Man"
Dark-green Onions- Booker T and the MGs
"Take Me to the Pilot" by Elton
Argent, Hold your head upwardly
Head E - Never Been Whatsoever Reason
Steppenwolf - Magic Rug Ride/Born To Be Wild
"Frankenstein" Edgar Wintertime
The Way It Is- by Bruce Hornsby
Since I've Been Loving You - Led Zeppelin
Feelin' Alright - Joe Cocker
Oye Como Va - Santana
Hush - Deep Purple
Smoothen On You Crazy Diamond - Pink Floyd
Won't Go Fooled Again-The Who
Who Are You lot-The Who
Highway Star...Deep Purple
Delta Lady...Joe Cocker
Meatloaf's "Bat out of Hell"
Iron Butterfly – In A Gadda Da Vida
Toto – Hold The Line
Journey – Separate Ways
Styx – Come Sail Away
The House of the Rising Sun-The Animals
Yous Keep Me Hangin' On'-Vanilla Fudge
'Gimme Some Lovin''-The Spencer Davis Group
Walk of life - Dire Straits
Sweet dreams - Eurythmics
The ability of dearest - Huey Lewis and The News
Fresh Air - Quicksilver Messenger Service
So Into Y'all - Atlanta Rhythm Section
Don't Stop Believing - Journey
Wish You Were Hither - Pink Floyd
Santana – Evil Means
The Zombies – Fourth dimension Of The Season
Steely Dan - Do It Again
Expert Lovin' - Young Rascals
These Eyes - Gauge Who
96 Tears - Question Mark & the Mysterions
Reelin' In The Years - Steely Dan
Carry on my wayward son.......Kansas
"Don't dream it'due south over"-Crowded Business firm
Silent Running-Mike & The Mechanics
Kid Charlemagne-Steely Dan

damn, that'south one hell of a set list. Where are you playing side by side?

whew. That's pretty ambitious. If you lot know the guitar parts to all that stuff, I'd like to jam with y'all. Hell, I'd play bass to exist in a ring that played that.

• #11

The real question is, do you need 88 keys, exercise they need to exist weighted, and how much can yous spend?

I got "convincing" sounds with an quondam Roland Sound Canvas Module (which were really very expert).

I got the Tom Sawyer affair out of an old Roland D-five and couldn't discover annihilation to suit on my new FA06 - had to create something from scratch but still liked the older D5 better!

For "Come Canvass Away" I played the intro pianoforte part, then the sweep part under it on two divide keyboards - the lead singer also played a keytar (I kid you not) and did the "lead lines" in it.

I found for many songs like that, alive, it was necessary to accept two keyboards (I used a controller and the Audio Canvas, and the D5 then later the FA06).

Just switching between the Piano and Organ sounds in "Carry On Wayward Son" - I didn't physically have fourth dimension to push a button to change a audio. Information technology was far easier just to shift from one keyboard to the next.

What I might consider if I were you is i Synth that does all the audio, and so a 2nd controller keyboard that you can employ to play other sounds on a 2nd MIDI aqueduct and then you can pre-fix sounds on one board (such as Piano) and do the other sounds that change a lot on the other - that way you can always go dorsum to Piano on the lower keyboard or something like that (obviously information technology may demand to change, merely it makes having to switch betwixt a lot of sounds easier than trying to do it on the panel all the time).

If the Montage is what the Motif used to exist, those are stellar sounds. They're "good enough" IMHO (and the Motif is on tons of recordings).

If you're actually picky about B3, or want to do a lot of drawbar piece of work live, you lot'd be better off with the Nord (there are ways to gear up controller sliders for drawbars or in some cases, do them on a touch on screen just that drives upwards the price also).

In the end it's kind of like guitar tones though - I did some of the stuff y'all do and as long every bit the sound was "in the ballpark" the audience ate it up. But I used the aforementioned sound for Jump that I did for the synth in Separate Ways.

I found one Electric Piano that worked for near everything and used that pretty much for near everything - I used a different one on the opening of "Time" which had a more than "bell-y" sound, just for for a lot of the others, like Misty Mountain Hop I wanted something with a little growl in it (come up to think of it, I did use a unlike one for Stairway to Heaven as well). The Piano was e'er the same piano no matter what

Organs and synths tended to exist the most inverse sounds - but over again I kind of settled in on some "principal" ones that I used "multi-purpose".

And then how much practise you lot want to spend, and do you need a "real pianoforte feel" to play piano parts - some people practice (and I wish I had it, and 88 keys for Bohemian Rhapsody).

But there are more than than plenty organ patches to observe something yous want for all your sounds.

• #12

Korg CX3 is good if you want Drawbars.
Nord is pretty much the alive standard these days for practise it all.

• #thirteen

I have the Hammond SK-1. Tops for Hammond, Vox, Farfisa, has a nice Rhodes, as well Wurlitzer and clavinet. Organ sounds much better than those on Hammond XM-one module I had before that.

Had a Nord electro2 before them. Didn't really like the sounds, to me they seemed a fleck brittle and plastic.

The SK-1 is not without flaws. The Bone is stupid. But it's a Hammond. Makes you feel king of the phase.

• #14

Another vote for Nord. I play a Nord Electro iii that can do all that the OP is looking for. I do run the B3 thru a Neo Vent, but the Nord Leslie simulator is pretty decent.

• #fifteen

What keyboards that I mentioned in the beginning of this thread would sound very convincing on the following songs:

Possessor of a Solitary Heart-Aye
Yes - Roundabout
ELP - "Lucky Man"
From The Offset-Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Fly Like an Eagle" by Steve Miller Band
Low-cal My Fire...Doors
Jessica...Allman Bros
Toto's "Rosanna"
Toto-Africa
Boston'southward "Foreplay"
Sugarloaf'south "Green Eyed Lady",
Boston's "Smokin"
Van Halen - Jump
Stevie Wonder's "Superstition".
"A Whiter Shade Of Pale" by Procal Harum
Middle- "Magic Man"
Dark-green Onions- Booker T and the MGs
"Take Me to the Pilot" by Elton
Argent, Hold your head upwards
Caput Due east - Never Been Whatsoever Reason
Steppenwolf - Magic Carpet Ride/Born To Be Wild
"Frankenstein" Edgar Wintertime
The Manner Information technology Is- by Bruce Hornsby
Since I've Been Loving You - Led Zeppelin
Feelin' Alright - Joe Cocker
Oye Como Va - Santana
Hush - Deep Regal
Polish On You Crazy Diamond - Pink Floyd
Won't Get Fooled Over again-The Who
Who Are You-The Who
Highway Star...Deep Purple
Delta Lady...Joe Cocker
Meatloaf's "Bat out of Hell"
Iron Butterfly – In A Gadda Da Vida
Toto – Hold The Line
Journey – Separate Ways
Styx – Come Canvass Away
The Business firm of the Ascent Sun-The Animals
You Keep Me Hangin' On'-Vanilla Fudge
'Gimme Some Lovin''-The Spencer Davis Group
Walk of life - Dire Straits
Sweet dreams - Eurythmics
The power of love - Huey Lewis and The News
Fresh Air - Quicksilver Messenger Service
So Into You - Atlanta Rhythm Section
Don't Stop Assertive - Journey
Wish You Were Hither - Pinkish Floyd
Santana – Evil Ways
The Zombies – Fourth dimension Of The Season
Steely Dan - Exercise Information technology Again
Skillful Lovin' - Young Rascals
These Eyes - Guess Who
96 Tears - Question Mark & the Mysterions
Reelin' In The Years - Steely Dan
Carry on my wayward son.......Kansas
"Don't dream information technology's over"-Crowded House
Silent Running-Mike & The Mechanics
Kid Charlemagne-Steely Dan

Two questions:
ane. How old is anybody in your band?
2. Does this music from decades ago really work in 2016?

I don't mean to sound judgmental, because there are a lot of bully songs on the list.....I'one thousand simply curious......

Dougee

Silver Supporting Member

• #16

Two questions:
1. How sometime is everyone in your band?
2. Does this music from decades ago actually work in 2016?

I don't mean to sound judgmental, because there are a lot of great songs on the list.....I'm just curious......

LOL, Yes 2HBStrat, I'm 68 and the other guys are in their sixty'due south as well!!
I only take all of those Groovy Sounds of those Songs Embedded in my Brain and I love all of them!!
I'm just trying to find a Great Keyboard or combination to go all of those sounds!!
Don't become me wrong, I Do like some of today's sounds merely still Dearest the Old Sounds!!

Dougee

Silver Supporting Member

• #eighteen

I'g only looking for a Keyboard that when I desire a Horn Section, or String Section, B3 Organ, and Electrical and Acoustic Pianos, and some Synthesizer Sounds, When I hit that Fundamental, I want information technology to audio Exactly like the sounds I mentioned, not Cheesey, Toy, Nigh, etc., Just Exactly!!!

I'thou Leaning Towards the Korg Kronos ii with added Audio Libraries right now from what I've heard on youtube, But if Everyone has Better Options so I'one thousand All Ears and Very Appreciative for Your Expertise!!!

• #19

Ever consider using the keyboard every bit a midi controller and play soft synths? I use a Kurzweil PC3 which has a good compromise Keybed for organ or pianoforte and play pianoteq, B4 and zebra out of the computer with the PC3 sounds available when needed. The Nord would be a much simpler setup merely also a lot more than dollars.

• #20

I'thou just looking for a Keyboard that when I desire a Horn Section, or String Section, B3 Organ, and Electrical and Acoustic Pianos, and some Synthesizer Sounds, When I hit that Cardinal, I desire it to audio Exactly like the sounds I mentioned, not Cheesey, Toy, About, etc., But Exactly!!!.......

Yous are wanting the keyboard equivalent of a Line 6 Modeling Guitar with a modeling amplifier, and NO guitar actor wants those......

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